Vancouver Condo Info » prices

Carney cries wolf again.. will it come?

wreckonomics — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:45:44 +0000

Mark Carney is making new remarks about some Canadian real estate markets being “probably overvalued“.

It was the second time in recent days that Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney voiced concern about property prices, which surged after the financial crisis as borrowing costs tumbled.
“We see that in a number of real estate markets in Canada, valuations are at a minimum, firm; in others, they’re probably overvalued. So there are risks there. We’re watching it closely. We’re working with our partners, the federal government, the superintendent of financial institutions,” he said in an interview on “Question Period” on CTV.

“Measures have been taken. They’ve been effective. We’ll keep up that vigilance. If more needs to be done, I’m sure the appropriate authorities will take those measures.”
The federal government has tightened mortgage regulations several times in a bid to prevent a property bubble from forming. Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said on January 17 that the government is watching the housing market closely and is ready to intervene if needed, but is not about to do so now.

Yes, the federal government has tightened mortgage regulations “several times”.. Here’s a timeline of those changes courtesy of Burbs Boy:

Jan 2006 – Minority Conservative Government elected
Feb 2006 – 25 year increase to 30 year on test basis
Jul 2006 – 30 year test affirmed and also increased to 35 year
Jul 2007 – 35 year increase to 40 year
Oct 2008 – 40 year decrease to 35 year
Mar 2010 – 35 year decrease to current 30 year

This post was submitted by wreckonomics.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Limits to foreign ownership

Spork — Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:03:04 +0000

Someone over at the Vancouver Courier is of the opinion that foreign buyers have driven up the cost of real estate in Vancouver.

Of course, capitalism requires competition, and free market principles should drive our housing market. But we no longer control that market. And despite growing evidence of market dysfunction, Premier Christy Clark, who could stiffen provincial regulation, and Mayor Gregor Robertson, who could increase taxes on foreign property owners, cede our land to foreign buyers.

Not so in Australia.

In recent years, Australian cities have experienced Vancouver-style real estate booms, with housing prices soaring from Sydney to Melbourne. Like here, buyers from China help drive Australia’s speculative real estate market. Faced with mounting public pressure, in 2010 the Kevin Rudd government introduced strict regulation aimed at foreign ownership. Under the new rules, the Foreign Investment Review Board (FIRB) screens foreigners (including temporary residents and students) to determine their land purchase eligibility. Foreigners can’t buy existing properties and must build on vacant land within two years of purchase or face government-ordered sale. Scofflaws face capital gains confiscation. Finally, before foreign homeowners leave Australia, they must sell. No more overseas landlords Down Under.

Full article here. Is it time for BC to start looking at regulating home ownership and foreign buying?

This post was submitted by Spork.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

BC Assessments for 2012

jesse — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:23:53 +0000

BC Assessments are available for viewing for a limited time. These are based on sales at and around July 2011. A little bird told me a few people are getting some interesting increases in the mail. Given our collective nous, perhaps we can figure out which property types and neighbourhoods are going to see some marked increases in property tax outlays this year and give some guesses as to how much. Remember that the City of Vancouver uses 3 year averaging and that it’s the assessment value relative to all other properties, not the absolute value, that determines property tax outlay. As well there has been a shift in property taxes from businesses to households, something that is slated to end this year. One might think that a few households are going to be rather upset if redistribution were to continue.

I haven’t looked at the numbers yet but my guess is that detached houses, especially in west side neighbourhoods, are going to see the biggest tax rise this year, with condos seeing the least rise.

© jesse for Vancouver Condo Info, 2012. | Permalink | 54 comments | Add to del.icio.us
Post tags: bc, prices, relative valuation, vancouver

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Big banks and the housing market alarm

Eddie — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:35:12 +0000

There are a few banks out there making noise about the Canadian housing market. Let’s see, what are their names again? Oh, here they are.. Some place called CIBC and Royal Bank and then one called Toronto Dominion. They seem particularly concerned about the market in Vancouver and Toronto.

CIBC chief executive officer Gerry McCaughey told analysts and investors in Toronto that the housing market is “leaning heavily into an area that might be peaking,” and instead will begin to soften.

His comments came as the heads of Royal Bank of Canada and Bank of Montreal also expressed concern over cooling housing prices, particularly in the condo markets in Toronto and Vancouver, where capacity is significantly overbuilt.

And from the second link:

British Columbia is forecast to have it worse, said senior economist Jacques Marcil, and will likely see “a signifcant correction” this year. Indeed, he said in a report today, the Vancouver market likely peaked last year.

The report, which examined the country’s provincial economies, projects home resales in British Columbia will sink 3.7 per cent this year, while prices decline 3.5 per cent.

This post was submitted by Eddie.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Dramatic Numbers

Karl Marx Carney — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:39:16 +0000

Monday was a strange day for Real Estate in Vancouver. It’s normal this time of year for listing to outnumber buyers as people who haven’t managed to sell relist their property, but the ratios paulb just posted are mindboggling:

New Listings 376
Price Changes 56
Sold Listings 43

And as he also points out, the Westside is nuts:

New Listings 96
Price Changes 10
Sold Listings 5

Yes, that’s right. 96 new listings on the west side of Vancouver on one day and only 5 sales. Any idea whats going on here? Were there so many listings that all the sales didn’t get entered, or did we really just have crazy sales/ list ratio day?

And if your in the mood to contemplate dramatic numbers check these out, courtesy of McLovin:

Buddy got his assessment in Kelowna. He owns a 2 br condo with great view of the lake in the Skye building. Paid $660,000 presale in 2007 incl GST. Took possession in 2009.

2011 Assessment $631,000
2012 Assessment $541,000

Drop of 18% in 1 yr and over 20% from his presale purchase price in 2007.

Truthfully, if he had to sell the place he would be lucky to get $500,000. So he is down about 25% and there is no bottom in sight.

As Makaya points out:

to put things in perspective, assuming your buddy took possession exactly three years ago and sold it today for $500K, he has “lost” $4,444 on his house every month. I hope he’s making a good salary to compensate.

This post was submitted by Karl Marx Carney.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Feeling bearish on Canadian housing?

Karl Marx Carney — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:18:52 +0000

Over at the Financial Post there’s an editorial that’s pessimistic about the Canadian real estate market:

The arithmetic is simple, and some of the warning signals look uncomfortably like those of the days before the market implosion that brought the 1980s to a thumping, crashing close.

Start with resale home prices. A “matched sales” approach to measuring prices tracks, over time, multiple sales of the same properties — this reduces the likelihood of measurements getting skewed by cyclical or regional shifts in the price mixes of homes that happen to be selling. Over the past ten years, prices so measured, in Canada’s major markets, have doubled, increasing at more than 7% per year, at a time when consumer price inflation generally had been running at about 2%.

So why is that a problem? Because average wages have not been running much ahead of inflation, and that means that house prices have steadily been bubbling out of reach of workers’ abilities to afford them. The house price-to-income ratio last peaked and then plummeted from 1989 to 1991, and the ratio regained its prior peak in 2004-05. Since then? It has climbed steadily higher yet, the ratio now far outstripping anything seen in the past 20 years.

Eventually that makes housing affordability a problem, and quickly so when interest rates start to rise. Housing looks affordable now, given that mortgages remain on the market at rates near their all-time lows. However, carrying costs relative to income would rocket upward, were rates one or two percentage points higher. Such rate increases are not in the cards in Canada today — but they will arrive all the same, and sooner rather than later if inflation continues to test the upper bound of its target range, as it did through 2011.

Read the full article here.

This post was submitted by Karl Marx Carney.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Forecasts for 2012 housing market.

Karl Marx Carney — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:12:17 +0000

A very sensible forecast from Tsur Sommerville:

“We start off by saying I have no idea,” Somerville told the Georgia Straight in a phone interview. For him, forecasting is a risky business because “you’re wrong more often, even if you’re intelligent”.

An economist who earned his PhD from Harvard University, Somerville said that he prefers to evaluate what others have projected for the new year.

“The general trend seems to be that it’s going to be a slower market than 2011, and I think the combination of lingering economic unease and uncertainty is consistent with that,” the UBC academic explained. “The other thing is 2011—if you take away Richmond, the West Side [of Vancouver], and West Vancouver—was not some amazing prices-going-through-the-ceiling kind of year. In general for most places, things are going to look like 2011. Maybe a little bit slower.”

Asked about the biggest risk to the market, Somerville responded: “The economy, the economy, and the economy.”

Full article in the Georgia Straight.

This post was submitted by Karl Marx Carney.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Chinese housing bubble collapse

xct — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 08:45:34 +0000

The controlled collapse of the Chinese housing bubble seems to be proceeding right on schedule. If HAM is a factor in BC what affect will this have here?

Home prices nationwide declined in November for the third straight month, according to an index of values in 100 major cities compiled by the China Index Academy, an independent real estate firm. Average prices in the Shanghai area are down about 40% from their peak in mid-2009, to about $176,000 for a 1,000-square-foot home.

Sales have plummeted. In Beijing, nearly two years’ worth of inventory is clogging the market, and more than 1,000 real estate agencies have closed this year. Developers who once pre-sold housing projects within hours are growing desperate. A real estate company in the eastern city of Wenzhou is offering to throw in a new BMW with a home purchase.

The swift turnaround has stunned buyers such as Shanghai resident Mark Li, who thought prices had nowhere to go but up. The software engineer closed on a $250,000, three-bedroom apartment in August, only to watch weeks later as the developer slashed prices 25% on identical units to attract buyers in a slowing market.

Outraged, Li and hundreds of others who paid full price trashed the sales office, scuffled with employees and protested for three days before police broke up the demonstration. Walking away now would mean losing the $75,000 down payment that he borrowed from his working-class parents.

“I still haven’t told them,” Li, 29, said of his home’s plummeting value. “It will just make them worry, and it’s already too late.”

Full article in the LA Times.

This post was submitted by xct.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Victoria Crashing

teekay — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 09:05:11 +0000

FishyRE points out that the latest housing market numbers out of Victoria look bad. Really bad.

House prices are down YOY for two years now. Condos are down YOY and flat over two. Attached is down 15% over two years. Yikes.

This post was submitted by teekay.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

The move-up buyer is screwed.

John — Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:10:57 +0000

If you recently bought a condo in Vancouver this probably isn’t what you want to hear, but let’s just think about this situation realistically. Let’s pretend we get the ‘perfect’ scenario of constantly rising house prices. A young couple buys a condo to get on the property ladder and plans on starting a family and moving up to a larger home in a few years. When it’s time to sell, it’s a jackpot! Their condo has increased by $100 grand and they magically find a buyer at that price right away..

but wait. That home they wanted to buy is up $200 grand. Better hope their income has been increasing a lot faster than everyone else.

And that’s in the magic ‘balanced’ scenario where homes and condos increase at roughly the same percentage year over year. For a while here in Vancouver, house prices have lept up while condos have been mostly flat. The hypothetical move-up buyer is even more screwed.

Maybe it’s time to get some smaller furniture and turn the ‘den’ into a babies room, since we don’t seem to build many large family size apartments in Vancouver. It’s either houses or ‘junior’ one bedrooms with little in between.

Constantly increasing house prices means you only win if you sell and get out of town or sell and rent. The move-up buyer is screwed.

This post was submitted by John.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Going down?

wreckonomics — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:20:01 +0000

At least one person thinks that Global Recession MkII is about to cause Mr. Carney to slash interest rates in Canada. The prediction is a 75% drop from the rock bottom 1% to a rocker bottomer .25%

This could be really good news for the few people who’ve built up good credit and cash. I can think of at least two cases where debt levels rose so high that property prices were crashing while interest rates were dropping.

There are many places in that big country just to the south of us where you can buy a house for half what it cost a few years ago and you can lock in for ridiculously low mortgage rates. Japan also saw home prices dropping while interest rates fell. Heck it even happened here in Vancouver at the start of the eighties.

Only a moron would think that a housing market crash means no one is buying and everyone loses their job. Someones always buying, they just don’t always pay the same price.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

It feels so normal here

patriotz — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:25:33 +0000

Another warm sunny day in Ottawa. Here’s what I get for having given up on the “best place on earth”:

- more cultural activities
- people who are polite and say hi to you on the street
- neighbourhoods that feel like neighbourhoods
- ethnic diversity but not segregation
- no homeless people outside of downtown
- breakins are regarded as newsworthy
- much better job opportunities

I can break the RE market into three sectors:

- Gatineau, Quebec
Prices that are actually reasonable. $200K gets you this in the English-speaking community of Aylmer:

http://passerelle.centris.ca

- Generic Ottawa
Overpriced but if you really want to buy, you won’t become a debt slave. $300K gets you this in Silicon Valley North:

http://www.realtor.ca

- Trendy Ottawa
Definite bubble territory, but still more for your money than Vancouver. This $1.2 mil house in the Glebe likely would not rent for more than $3500/month:

http://www.realtor.ca

Compare with this rental:

http://ottawa.en.craigslist.ca

Or you can rent, there’s lot of quality stock, the landlords aren’t psychos and people don’t treat you like a leper.

Enjoy the rain.

This post was submitted by patriotz.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Property estimates now public

Adam — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:01:25 +0000

Zoocasa.com is now giving public access to home appraisal values for free.

Carefully guarded data on home appraisal values – once the private preserve of real-estate industry insiders – has been posted by a listings website backed by Rogers Communications Inc., which has tapped private databases to give people an instant estimate of a property’s value.

That’s from an article over at the Globe and Mail where they go on to talk about how moves like this weakens the position of Real Estate agents who’ve used privileged access to market information to justify their commissions.

The argument against such a move has always been that it impinges on personal rights to privacy, which isn’t such a long shot when the president of Zoocasa pitches it as a fun way to find out the value of friends and neighbors houses.

By entering any address in the country and providing a few additional details, such as the number of bedrooms and bathrooms in a house, a user can get an instant price estimate. It can give them a better idea of what their own house is worth – or something to gossip about around the dinner table as they discuss the net worth of friends, family members and neighbours.

“That’s one of the fun things about this service,” says Butch Langlois, president of Zoocasa. “It’s not necessarily your own home that you are interested in pricing.”

This post was submitted by Adam.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Crashing the Market in China

laughlin — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:51:23 +0000

Remember when they dropped prices at the Olympic Village by up to 50% and presales buyers got upset? At least they didn’t trash the sales office.

..the properties owners have not even taken the delivery of the properties (as they were pre-sold), but the latest “group-buying” offered a 30% discount to latest buyers. The properties owners were angry because they haven’t even got the properties … As a result, they went to the sales office last Saturday to demand a refund for the amount they lost, and they damaged the sales office in the process.

Reminds me of that Gem out of the states when a developer slashed prices on a partly pre-sold development. “They promised us they’d never sell for less than market value!”

This post was submitted by laughlin.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Boomers should consider ‘for sale’ signs

wreckonomics — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:23:26 +0000

Interesting bit over at the Globe and Mail: Nearly a third of our population is boomers who will be nearing retirement soon. Should they be cashing in on the housing boom and sell early to fund retirement?

This could be one of the most important questions that baby boomers deal with as they enter retirement, and the financial impact will be widely felt. Expect a slowing in today’s hyperactive housing market, but not right away.

“There’s this idea that when the kids leave home, boomers will downsize,” said demographer David Foot, author of the influential book Boom, Bust & Echo and professor emeritus of economics at the University of Toronto. “Well, that doesn’t happen. You hold on to the family house, probably into your 70s because you want grandkids to come and visit.”

So figure on having about 10 years before a downsizing bulge alters the balance of sellers and buyers in our housing market. Should retiring baby boomers wait that long? Mr. Foot’s analysis certainly doesn’t suggest a bright future for house prices.

Read the full article here.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Global with Bearish Story 2.0

jesse — Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:26:52 +0000

Another news clip from Greenhorn AKA SethM.

May favourite clip at 4:50: a bartender living in a downtown condo bought by her parents. She pays them rent. Horror, you say? Apparently not: “It’s not that simple. They’re pretty strict. They’re just like a bank.” LOL We’ll see!

© jesse for Vancouver Condo Info, 2011. | Permalink | 93 comments | Add to del.icio.us
Post tags: affordability, bc, economy, prices, rebgv, vancouver

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Global with Bearish Story

jesse — Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:53:12 +0000

Greenhorn has recorded this Global piece aired last night on families moving away from BC due to the high price of housing:

Summary: families moving away due to the high cost of housing.

© jesse for Vancouver Condo Info, 2011. | Permalink | 166 comments | Add to del.icio.us
Post tags: affordability, bc, economy, immigration, migration, vancouver

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Falling Markets

jesse — Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:14:32 +0000

The TSX index fell by about 450 points

The USD-CAD fell to 0.97

The GoC 5 year bond fell to 1.286

So given all we know about real estate investing and price-rent ratios to determine fundamental value, perhaps a few can chime in on what they think is going on in Canadian and world markets and how current valuations align with future earnings.

© jesse for Vancouver Condo Info, 2011. | Permalink | 54 comments | Add to del.icio.us
Post tags: Canadian dollar, prices, relative valuation, stocks, tsx

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Compare and Despair

Eddie — Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:49:01 +0000

Here’s a couple of million dollar houses.

This first one is in West Palm Beach. It’s a modest 6,898 sq. foot 5 bedroom home on 2.5 acres with a guest house and five car garage:

But for just $50k more you can get this beauty in South East Vancouver, conveniently close to Burnaby. It’s a 1958 sq. foot old timer with a basement and all windows are double glazed:

This post was submitted by Eddie.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

HST and House Prices

jesse — Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:58:25 +0000

Poor Helmut Pastrick is at it again, (HT Raize on Realestatetalks) providing insight into how markets will react with BC voters laying the smack down on a harmonized sales tax. So let’s assume for a moment what’s done is done and look again at how the HST affects house prices. According to Pastrick:

According to Pastrick—chief economist for Central 1 Credit Union, the association of credit unions in B.C. and Ontario—some buyers, especially of new homes, may delay purchases and save themselves some extra money.

“Will it hurt?” Pastrick asked in a phone interview with the Georgia Straight. “I think that impact will be temporary. The activity would be made up under the new system shortly, and indeed under the new system, the demand for housing is somewhat improved given the lower costs that will be in effect. So that would provide some lift to the housing market.”

A housing-market analyst with the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation in B.C. before joining Central 1 in 1997, Pastrick said that the changeover period will also likely see postponements in the planned construction of new homes.

“It depends on the transition rules, but in general I would expect to see some delay into the new tax system for some new construction,” he said.

Ah so demand will improve under the new system. Well that’s good news. But let’s remember a few things about the housing market:

Most housing stock is not taxed and often competes directly with new stock.
A large part of total costs are associated with land prices.
Developers want to make money.
Rational investors have other competing investment choices.
It is true that Realtor and other transaction fees will be taxed less under the new regime.

I do not pretend to be a professional economist, but I’m trying real hard to figure out how, as an investor, I would hold off a purchase solely due to the repealing of the HST. After all, I can factor the tax into my ROI calculations. Please help me out, readers!

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Vancouver drug economy and house prices

Spork — Mon, 29 Aug 2011 08:01:43 +0000

How much does the drug economy in Vancouver drive up prices? I was sceptical about it’s impact until I read this recent article in Vancouver Magazine:

Cam Hui was stunned when he moved back to his hometown after a stint on the East coast. “This city is not overrun with the super-rich,” he says. “But you can’t get into the Vancouver West Side for less than $1.5 million for something that’s not falling down.” In Stamford, Connecticut, where Hui, an investment counsellor, lived previously, prices were just as high. But there it was understandable. The place was infested with people working in the investment business. Stamford has the head office of GE Capital, and, with Swiss bank UBS, the world’s largest trading floor.

Hui doesn’t see that level of financial activity here; nor does he buy the standard explanation for Vancouver’s real-estate prices: that offshore investment or Asian money is largely responsible. In a private blog, he argues that there has to be a connection to the drug industry. “And just putting my economist’s hat on, if it winds up back in the local economy, it creates inflation.” He, by the way, has not bought here because Vancouver’s market is so crazy. He rents instead.

Read the full article here.

This post was submitted by Spork.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

CMHC breathes a sigh of relief

Teekay — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:01:17 +0000

The CMHC is revising it’s forecast for housing starts in the slightly upward direction thanks to the US decision to keep interest rates at rock bottom levels:

The outlook runs contrary to a report in July from TD Economics, which projected that Canada’s housing market was poised to correct over the next two calendar years, with resale activity falling 15.2 per cent and average prices dropping 10.2 per cent.

“A combination of more subdued job and household income growth, rising interest rates, the recent tightening in borrowing rules for insured mortgages and fewer first-time home buyers are expected to be the chief culprits behind the slowdown,” said the report, prepared by deputy chief economist Derek Burleton and economist Sonya Gulati.

Earlier this summer, BMO Capital Markets warned that the Canadian market could suffer a price setback if there is a rapid rise in interest rates due to higher inflation, an increase in unemployment because of a weak U.S. economy or a slowing in foreign investment.

CMHC, however, projects that despite a slowing in the second half, average resale prices will deliver an overall increase in 2011, and continue to rise, albeit at a more modest pace, in 2012.

Laberge said the key reason for CHMC’s positive outlook is the call later in the summer from U.S. Federal Reserve chairman for interest rates to remain at rock-bottom rates into 2013.

As a result, he said, “We expect mortgage rates will be flat this year and to start increasing only later in 2012.”

Read the full article here.

This post was submitted by Teekay.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Global Price to Rent Ratio

Starving Artist — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:19:29 +0000

According to fundamentals, Canadian RE ownership continues to be significantly overvalued compared to rental cashflow. Even the bubbly Australian market has started to correct, but with interest rates low for at least 2 more years, who can predict how long the plates can continue spinning?

You can play with The Economist’s house prices chart yourself here:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/03/global_house_prices

© Starving Artist for Vancouver Condo Info, 2011. | Permalink | 111 comments | Add to del.icio.us
Post tags: Canada, compare

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Avg house price dropped $10k in July

The Pope — Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:47:11 +0000

The CREA has released stats and a forecast.. Apparently house prices are down and the expect them to stay that way.

“Earlier this year, the national average price was being skewed upward by sales in some expensive Vancouver neighbourhoods, but this factor is now diminishing,” CREA’s chief economist Gregory Klump said. “Upward skewing of the national average price is also shrinking due to overall sales trends in Vancouver, and most recently in Toronto.”

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh

Blame it on the fruit stand

Van MD — Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:09:46 +0000

We all know you can Blame Canada and obviously you can also blame it on the rain, but did you know you can blame it on a fruit stand? That’s what one west van wannaseller is doing. He claims his house is not selling due to the fact that fresh fruit and vegetables have been available just down the street for the last seven years:

Paul Marshall, whose home is selling for about $6.5 million, has filed documents in BC Supreme Court arguing the city cannot issue a permit to sell fruit on a residential street.

He says the stand is scaring away potential buyers from the roughly 7,400-square-foot home, which has five bedrooms and six full bathrooms.

Typo in that first line.. Shouldnt it be “whose home is not selling..”. I guess it’s a slippery slope, first it’s apples, then its crack cocaine and nobody wants to buy a mansion near a crack cocaine stand. For the love of all things holy, can’t we just leave the produce in Safeway where the good lord intended it to be sold?

This post was submitted by Van MD.

Feed enhanced by Better Feed from Ozh