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FFFA! CONDO! HOMES! CREDIT! USA! BC! GLOOM!

It’s that time of the week again!

This is when we do our regular end of the week news round up and open topic discussion thread for the weekend.

Pull up a chair! Here are a few links to kick off the chat:

Horrible houses in bad areas for $500k+
BOC: Household debt is biggest risk
BC: Binging on Credit
USA vs Canada housing bubble
Get you drunk, take advantage of you
How bad is your market?
Why do Canadians owe so much?
The end of US mortgage deduction?
Canada sinks on US / Europe gloom

So what are you seeing out there? Post your news links, thoughts and anecdotes here and have an excellent weekend!

Friday Free-for-all!

Hey, guess what? You made it to the end of another work week.  It’s friday and that means it’s time for us to kick back with our open topic discussion thread for the weekend.  Here are a few links to get the conversation started:

Will the US outpace Canadian growth?
The housing bubble makes us rich
Flying too close to the sun?
Vancouver slides, Toronto ‘balanced’
Commercial RE cheaper to buy 
A campaign based on video games
Mondo condo listings
Updated Real estate bubble chart book
Consumer debt growing slower
What to make of new HPI?
Olympic plunge in London prices
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So what are you seeing out there?  Post your news links, thoughts and anecdotes here and have an excellent weekend!

US housing market still deflating

City by city data for US markets is just out showing how much prices fell in the year and how far they’ve come down since the market top.  Here’s what last year looked like in some major US markets:

South of the border: city -by-city breakdown of latest Case-shiller data

Las Vegas: Prices down 8.8%, and 61% below peak.
Los Angeles: Prices down 5.2%, and 41% below peak.
Miami: Prices down 3.8%, and 51% below peak.
New York: Prices down 2.9%, and 24% below peak.
Phoenix: Prices down 1.2%, and 55% below peak.
Portland: Prices down 4%, and 29% below peak.
San Francisco: Prices down 5.4%, and 41% below peak.
Seattle: Prices down 5.6%, and 32% below peak.

Remember, it’s not a bubble, it’s a balloon.  Balloons don’t pop, they deflate.  Slowly over the course of many years.

Hat tip to VMD for the link.

Why renters rule the housing market

Until renters can take out a mortgage to pay their rent they’re limited by income to how much they can pay. This is different than buying because mortgage rates and easy credit can change ‘affordability’ enabling people to take out larger loans and ‘afford’ higher prices.

Since rent tends to be more stable and directly related to the local income it puts a theoretical ‘floor’ on how far house prices can fall. As soon as it’s cheaper to buy than rent you should have investors who can do math buying up property.

Of course there are other complicating factors: psychology, ease of credit and liquidity.

Bloomberg has an interesting article looking at the situation in the USA after their housing bubble popped.

Many people who are technically homeowners are really renters. They put little if anything down. In many cases, the equity is negative when, for example, home-improvement loans piggybacked on first mortgages and brought total indebtedness to more than 100 percent of the house value. Many also planned to refinance their mortgages with cash-outs due to appreciation before their mortgage rates reset upward or, in some cases, even before they skipped enough monthly payments to be foreclosed.

It’s easy to be in a negative equity situation if you buy at the peak with very low down payment.

Of course it’s different in Canada right? The CMHC even introduced rules in 2008 eliminating zero down payment mortgages and now requires everyone to put down a huge 5% down payment..

So now we call it a ‘cash back mortgage’ and there are so so so many ways you can get a zero down mortgage in Canada today and be on your way to negative equity!